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:Another think... Sould we translate biblical names to Aramaic or keep them the way they're written in their native languages? In Arabic for example they translate names like "Mehmet" and "Mamadou" to محمد.--[[ܡܦܠܚܢܐ:Rafy|Rafy]] ([[ܡܡܠܠܐ ܕܡܦܠܚܢܐ:Rafy|ܡܡܠܠܐ]]) 08:49, 16 ܒܐܝܠܘܠ 2011 (UTC)
::Hebrew isn't that standardized. Especially when it comes to ו and even וו, both can be either [v] or [w]. Arabic names are also a problem. For example, Saddam is usually written as סדאם but sometimes as צדאם. Western names who are of Hebrew origin are usually written in their native pronunciation. Josef will be written as ג'וזף and David as דייויד. Often they are written in their Hebrew form when the people are Jews. For example, Moses Montefiore (British politician) is written as משה rather than מוזס. Again, this isn't exactly standardized. [[ܡܦܠܚܢܐ:TFighterPilot|TFighterPilot]] ([[ܡܡܠܠܐ ܕܡܦܠܚܢܐ:TFighterPilot|ܡܡܠܠܐ]]) 09:06, 16 ܒܐܝܠܘܠ 2011 (UTC)
:::'''TFighterPilot''': Yup, I think a "j" was just transcribed (and pronounced?) as Gamal when we borrowed words, kind of like how English transcribes/pronounces both Arabic Sin and Sad as "s". Classical Syriac has the same BGDKPT rules as in biblical Hebrew, but I think foreign words are not subject to the rules. There are lots of words borrowed from Persian that start with a "v" and are written with Beth, for example. Whether they kept the "v" pronunciation or it just became "b", I do not know. TFP, I have a question: does Hebrew pronounce "פינלנד" like '''''F'''inland'' or like '''''P'''inland''? What about other borrowed words that start with a soft letter? Also, I think what Rafy and I mean when we say that we should side with Hebrew over Arabic is that Hebrew is ''more'' standardized (and closer to Syriac) than Arabic is. I don't think there's a single language in the world that is perfectly set up to translate words from every language and be consistent every time, but some are better than others. :)
:::'''Rafy''': I know about the Dutch letters having different sound values from English but, like I said, I don't think we should go for 100% native phonetic accuracy. I ''used'' to write like that (e.g., [[ܙܝܓܡܘܢܕ ܦܪܘܝܕ]] used to be [[ܙܝܓܡܘܢܬ ܦܪܘܝܬ]] since a final "d" is pronounced like "t" in German), but not anymore. Remember the ܬܫܪܐܢܘܘ = "Toronto" example I gave? Also, think of how we use Teth, not Taw, to write English "t". I think if the Hebrew and Arabic equivalents are identical, then we should match them regardless of the native pronunciation. If the Arabic/Hebrew spellings differ and one is closer to the native pronunciation, ''then'' I think we should side with the native pronunciation. I think it's the same with biblical names: if Arabic/Hebrew translate, we translate; if they transliterate, we transliterate; if they differ, then we transliterate (i.e., go with the native pronunciation). Of course, if you pick one over the other in any of these situations (transliterating vs. translating, native pronunciation vs. English/Semitic pronunciation), then it couldn't hurt to make redirects. E.g., for "Isaac Newton", Arabic translates (إسحاق) while Hebrew transliterates (אייזק), so I think we should follow the Hebrew example in this specific case and transliterate. Currently, the article on Isaac Newton translates ([[ܐܝܣܚܩ ܢܝܘܛܢ]]), so I would be in favour of moving it. Had Hebrew used יצחק instead of אייזק, then I would be fine with the way it is now. --[[ܡܦܠܚܢܐ:334a|334a]] ([[ܡܡܠܠܐ ܕܡܦܠܚܢܐ:334a|ܡܡܠܠܐ]]) 03:45, 17 ܒܐܝܠܘܠ 2011 (UTC)
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